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Post by Qetesh on May 20, 2014 13:54:50 GMT
Oh, fine, it's Unwritten rules of online community from Steam From Steam: Within any online community there are a set of common sense rules that should always be followed. Typically they fall into multiple categories of the previous sets of rules. Unwritten Rules Do not post any of the following: Trolling, Griefing Flamebaiting, or intentionally disagreeing with others to cause an argument Rage posting (Example: "This game sucks, I demand a refund") Being intentionally unhelpful, providing wrong information (Also considered Trolling) Posting of non-constructive things/reviews (Example: "DO NOT BUY! Crap.")
Demanding refunds
Petition topicsDO NOT POST IN ALL CAPS Naming and shaming of any kind Exposing supposed cheaters (Report them through Steam profiles or in-game reports) Criticizing others for having an opinion you disagree with Support Ticket or account related questions (Don't post personal account info) VAC Bans are permanent: Do not ask to be unbanned Somehow I find petitions and refund topics within a common sense of a forum dedicated to a particular game. And as for Godus, "DO NOT BUY! Crap." is actually quite helpful review. Anybody who doesn't like the rules of the Steam forum probably shouldn't post there. That is pretty unfair since it where they bought their game at. So, if they buy the game at Steam and don't like it and Steam has these rules made to stop them from telling others, that is right? That is completely wrong, They are also completely bias and so this is just more manipulation to trick gamers into buying games even though many that already bought it don't like it. That guess what? Steam makes money from. I don't think posters on Steam realize how slanted these rules are. I find these rules completely created to promote more sales of games which is not in the spirit of honesty or fairness at all. If your product is good, you are not afraid to let people hear others opinions about it. The fact that you are hiding behind these bias rules to quiet them only tells me you have no faith in the product you are selling. Enforcing these bias rules is just another PR nightmare mistake that 22cans is doing. |
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Post by Qetesh on May 20, 2014 13:58:14 GMT
Sure, you might hear a bitch here and there from some Bikers put back into Nosiy land I think you are being very discriminative of bikers. Shame on you. What if a biker wants some peace and quiet because he has a hangover or for some other reason huh?  I don't really think the posters are little old ladies For a second there I thought you were talking from your own perspective.  Boyfriends are assholes sometimes. |
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 20, 2014 14:01:55 GMT
Monkeythumbz Would it be against the rules of the Steam forum if I went into every single Godus thread and posted a message linking to this forum? That said, could you make a topic on the Steam forum stating that if people want to discuss Godus freely they can do so on this forum and then make and keep it stickied?
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:03:27 GMT
Anybody who doesn't like the rules of the Steam forum probably shouldn't post there. That is pretty unfair since it where they bought their game at. So, if they buy the game at Steam and don't like it and Steam has these rules made to stop them from telling others, that is right? That is completely wrong, They are also completely Bias and so this is just more manipulation to trick gamers into buying games even though many that already bought it don't like it. That guess what? Steam makes money from. I don't think posters on Steam realize how slanted these rules are. I find these rules completely created to promote more sales of games which is not in the spirit of honesty or fairness at all. If your product is good, you are not afraid to let people hear others opinions about it. The fact that you are hiding behind these bias rules to quiet them only tells me you have no faith in the product you are selling. Enforcing these bias rules is just another PR nightmare mistake that 22cans is doing. We are not and would not prevent people from saying that, in their opinion, the game is not worth buying. That's why threads like this one aren't locked. Threads that breach the rules, like this one, do and will get locked. IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:08:37 GMT
Monkeythumbz Would it be against the rules of the Steam forum if I went into every single Godus thread and posted a message linking to this forum? That said, could you make a topic on the Steam forum stating that if people want to discuss Godus freely they can do so on this forum and then make and keep it stickied? Yes, that would breach the post spam and repetitive posting rules. BUT, why don't you just start a thread about this forum? I personally don't mind if it gets bumped every so often. We'll be re-launching the 22cans forums soon (within the next 30 days) - when we do I'm going to post a sticky thread on the Steam forums and lost out our social media channels. I'll include this forum when I do. |
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 20, 2014 14:09:11 GMT
Sigh... I wish we could have more lighthearted discussions going on but I guess this is just the hot item right now. This forum has never been more active than it has in the past hour but all of the discussion takes place in this thread. That's all fine of course, but what about some of the other topics worthy of discussion like for example the video transcript threads where some really valid questions have been posed that could use some answers.  |
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 14:12:07 GMT
IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. The locking is not. The banning for a thread that insulted nobody and was a first time offense is. Banning some and others not is unfair too. Not even warning some people that break these rules because you find them sympathetic or they talk positive about godus is unfair as well. |
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Post by wintersmith on May 20, 2014 14:12:26 GMT
That is pretty unfair since it where they bought their game at. So, if they buy the game at Steam and don't like it and Steam has these rules made to stop them from telling others, that is right? That is completely wrong, They are also completely Bias and so this is just more manipulation to trick gamers into buying games even though many that already bought it don't like it. That guess what? Steam makes money from. I don't think posters on Steam realize how slanted these rules are. I find these rules completely created to promote more sales of games which is not in the spirit of honesty or fairness at all. If your product is good, you are not afraid to let people hear others opinions about it. The fact that you are hiding behind these bias rules to quiet them only tells me you have no faith in the product you are selling. Enforcing these bias rules is just another PR nightmare mistake that 22cans is doing. We are not and would not prevent people from saying that, in their opinion, the game is not worth buying. That's why threads like this one aren't locked. Threads that breach the rules, like this one, do and will get locked. IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. What's unfair about asking for a refund? At least it was civil. To my mind, locking it, is just exacerbating the issue... I'm just glad this forum exists.... |
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Post by julians on May 20, 2014 14:16:19 GMT
Sigh... I wish we could have more lighthearted discussions going on but I guess this is just the hot item right now. This forum has never been more active than it has in the past hour but all of the discussion takes place in this thread. That's all fine of course, but what about some of the other topics worthy of discussion like for example the video transcript threads where some really valid questions have been posed that could use some answers. I find it difficult watching KS videos. They remind me of a time I believed in the pitch and spent £100+ on it. I feel like slapping myself. And I just get angry at people that lied so much. I find Godus reviews on Steam much more therapeutic. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:18:30 GMT
We are not and would not prevent people from saying that, in their opinion, the game is not worth buying. That's why threads like this one aren't locked. Threads that breach the rules, like this one, do and will get locked. IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. What's unfair about asking for a refund? At least it was civil. To my mind, locking it, is just exacerbating the issue... I'm just glad this forum exists.... Asking for a refund is fine, demanding or petitioning for one is a breach of Steam's forum rules. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:19:14 GMT
IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. The locking is not. The banning for a thread that insulted nobody and was a first time offense is. Banning some and others not is unfair too. Not even warning some people that break these rules because you find them sympathetic or they talk positive about godus is unfair as well. I've had a chat with our mod staff. In future, we will always warn somebody before giving them a ban of any length. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 14:19:56 GMT
Okay, it may be normal to banned people. After all, it's even for their good...
Anyhow, could we "talked" about the part of the forum that concerns the game ?
What's going on in Godus dev ? What the hell is that mobile version? Don't you even think that mobile game Godus version have too expensive purchases?
What s gonna be different w/ the PC version?
Can there be 2 different game version? (a Pc one, and my happy magic IOS poney one)
What's the heck w/ the pc game? Will you attend to make another version some time after the mobile one?
Ty.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:22:54 GMT
Okay, it may be normal to banned people. After all, it's even for their good... Anyhow, could we "talked" about the part of the forum that concerns the game ? What's going on in Godus dev ? What the hell is that mobile version? Don't you even think that mobile game Godus version have too expensive purchases? What s gonna be different w/ the PC version? Can there be 2 different game version? (a Pc one, and my happy magic IOS poney one) What's the heck w/ the pc game? Will you attend to make another version some time after the mobile one? Ty. All good questions and I'll endeavour to find answers to them for publication on our blog. |
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Post by Qetesh on May 20, 2014 14:23:45 GMT
That is pretty unfair since it where they bought their game at. So, if they buy the game at Steam and don't like it and Steam has these rules made to stop them from telling others, that is right? That is completely wrong, They are also completely Bias and so this is just more manipulation to trick gamers into buying games even though many that already bought it don't like it. That guess what? Steam makes money from. I don't think posters on Steam realize how slanted these rules are. I find these rules completely created to promote more sales of games which is not in the spirit of honesty or fairness at all. If your product is good, you are not afraid to let people hear others opinions about it. The fact that you are hiding behind these bias rules to quiet them only tells me you have no faith in the product you are selling. Enforcing these bias rules is just another PR nightmare mistake that 22cans is doing. We are not and would not prevent people from saying that, in their opinion, the game is not worth buying. That's why threads like this one aren't locked. Threads that breach the rules, like this one, do and will get locked. IMHO it's not unfair and is very clear. My point was those Steam rules are unfair and bias. They are very vague and can be easily used to create slanted viewpoints of actual gamer feedback. You stated them and said if anyone does not like them they should not post there, but that is where 22cans made the game available at. It is not like people have a choice of where to go and get the game so that forum is common sense the place where potential other buyers will go to, and to have rules that state they are not allowed to scream for their money back (`the only way to get a response from 22cans for months)or have negative comments and rage about the game, such as, it sucks, is wrong. If someone bought it and want to say it sucks, then they should be allowed to, just place them in an area that does not offend the other posters that don't wish to hear it. This allows potential other buyers to see both sides of the argument. You lock threads that you feel go overboard but in fact all negative comments should be getting locked according to those rules, so you are not even following Steam's rules, you are cherry picking bits and pieces of it as it suits you. You used the reason that is was offensive to other posters, that is fair. Make the sub categories to prevent this. Removing, locking and banning because of the bias Steam rules is not the same. That is censorship being used to sway more people into buying Godus without full knowledge of previous buyers opinions. And what is this re-launch of 22cans forum about? Are you changing the backer forum? |
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Post by wintersmith on May 20, 2014 14:25:27 GMT
What's unfair about asking for a refund? At least it was civil. To my mind, locking it, is just exacerbating the issue... I'm just glad this forum exists.... Asking for a refund is fine, demanding or petitioning for one is a breach of Steam's forum rules. But that is what 22cans have pushed people into doing. 22cans don't exactly have a reputation for listening ( hell, Sam didn't even have the decency to reply to a PM that he asked me to send! ), so threads like that will get created. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:28:35 GMT
...that forum is common sense the place where potential other buyers will go to, and to have rules that state they are not allowed to ask for their money back or have negative comments about the game, such as , it sucks, is wrong. If someone bought it and want to say it sucks, then they should be allowed to, just place them in an area that does not offend the other posters that don't wish to hear it. This allows potential other buyers to see both sides of the argument. I agree with you 100%. There are plenty of threads on the Steam forum where commenters are expressing their negative opinions about the game and we're not closing them down and have no intention to. The Steam forums have no rules preventing people from voicing negative opinions or negative reviews. As for the 22cans forums, we're going to give them a bit of an overhaul soon, yes. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 14:29:29 GMT
Asking for a refund is fine, demanding or petitioning for one is a breach of Steam's forum rules. But that is what 22cans have pushed people into doing. 22cans don't exactly have a reputation for listening ( hell, Sam didn't even have the decency to reply to a PM that he asked me to send! ), so threads like that will get created. Then they should be created here, where we will still see them but don't have the responsibility of enforcing any rules. |
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Post by Qetesh on May 20, 2014 14:34:25 GMT
But that is what 22cans have pushed people into doing. 22cans don't exactly have a reputation for listening ( hell, Sam didn't even have the decency to reply to a PM that he asked me to send! ), so threads like that will get created. Then they should be created here, where we will still see them but don't have the responsibility of enforcing any rules. Wow, you guys are loving Ba'als forum. This being said, that is true, but it also it not fair to potential buyers on Steam that have never heard of this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 14:35:26 GMT
Okay, it may be normal to banned people. After all, it's even for their good... Anyhow, could we "talked" about the part of the forum that concerns the game ? What's going on in Godus dev ? What the hell is that mobile version? Don't you even think that mobile game Godus version have too expensive purchases? What s gonna be different w/ the PC version? Can there be 2 different game version? (a Pc one, and my happy magic IOS poney one) What's the heck w/ the pc game? Will you attend to make another version some time after the mobile one? Ty. All good questions and I'll endeavour to find answers to them for publication on our blog. When it's there ... finally ... maybe ... how delightful! |
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Post by julians on May 20, 2014 14:37:18 GMT
All good questions and I'll endeavour to find answers to them for publication on our blog. When it's there ... finally ... maybe ... how delightful! Every letter will be simulated. The post will be the size of Jupiter. 100 billion people will be able to read it. |
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