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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 22:15:20 GMT
Another bone of contention, perhaps even more important than the above, is this tripe about how "bringing up the the baggage of the past" is "hurting the interactivity between the community and the studio, impacting negatively on the relationship between us and 22cans, and leading to a decreased willingness on the part of 22cans to interact with us". Poppycock. Did you just insult me? I think you did! I'm gonna give you one chance to retract that. If you don't I'm afraid that for the first time in the history of this forum I will be forced to take special measures. Which in this case for you would mean "hasta la fuck off and don't come back". The ball is in your court. What?
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 22:19:10 GMT
Did you just insult me? I think you did! I'm gonna give you one chance to retract that. If you don't I'm afraid that for the first time in the history of this forum I will be forced to take special measures. Which in this case for you would mean "hasta la fuck off and don't come back". The ball is in your court. What? You quoted my post and called it tripe and poppycock. I take that as an insult.
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Post by morsealworth on Jul 25, 2015 22:21:32 GMT
Another bone of contention, perhaps even more important than the above, is this tripe about how "bringing up the the baggage of the past" is "hurting the interactivity between the community and the studio, impacting negatively on the relationship between us and 22cans, and leading to a decreased willingness on the part of 22cans to interact with us". Poppycock. Did you just insult me? I think you did! I'm gonna give you one chance to retract that. If you don't I'm afraid that for the first time in the history of this forum I will be forced to take special measures. Which in this case for you would mean "hasta la fuck off and don't come back". The ball is in your court. I believe "poppycock" is a characteristic not of you, but of a phrase, similarly to bollocks. And if it's truly so, you can (and should) ban me too, as I feel absolute solidarity with that.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 22:23:46 GMT
Did you just insult me? I think you did! I'm gonna give you one chance to retract that. If you don't I'm afraid that for the first time in the history of this forum I will be forced to take special measures. Which in this case for you would mean "hasta la fuck off and don't come back". The ball is in your court. I believe "poppycock" is a characteristic not of you, but of a phrase, similarly to bollocks. And if it's truly so, you can (and should) ban me too, as I feel absolute solidarity with that. Thank you for that assessment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 22:41:39 GMT
You quoted my post and called it tripe and poppycock. I take that as an insult. I can't quite tell if you're being serious. Whether or not you are, I stand by my statement. It is tripe and poppycock and a great many other things to say that the "baggage of the past" ought to be put aside to avoid damaging a nonexistent relationship with 22Cans and decreasing their sterile appearances on this forum. When the "past" is a day or two ago, it becomes rather silly to insinuate people are unreasonably carrying ancient grudges against 22Cans or that it is irrelevant to a feedback thread, doubly so when the concerns the community has with Combat is directly due to that recent "baggage".
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 22:44:45 GMT
You quoted my post and called it tripe and poppycock. I take that as an insult. I can't quite tell if you're being serious. Whether or not you are, I stand by my statement. It is tripe and poppycock and a great many other things to say that the "baggage of the past" ought to be put aside to avoid damaging a nonexistent relationship with 22Cans and decreasing their sterile appearances on this forum. When the "past" is a day or two ago, it becomes rather silly to insinuate people are unreasonably carrying ancient grudges against 22Cans. You think this is a joke? When the admin of a forum tells you that he is personally insulted by something you said and asks you for a retraction, how can that not be taken seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 22:46:59 GMT
I can't quite tell if you're being serious. Whether or not you are, I stand by my statement. It is tripe and poppycock and a great many other things to say that the "baggage of the past" ought to be put aside to avoid damaging a nonexistent relationship with 22Cans and decreasing their sterile appearances on this forum. When the "past" is a day or two ago, it becomes rather silly to insinuate people are unreasonably carrying ancient grudges against 22Cans. You think this is a joke? When the admin of a forum tells you that he is personally insulted by something you said and asks you for a retraction, how can that not be taken seriously? The combination of exclamation points and question marks, along with prior jokes about moderation, made it difficult to tell whether or not you were serious.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 22:48:55 GMT
You think this is a joke? When the admin of a forum tells you that he is personally insulted by something you said and asks you for a retraction, how can that not be taken seriously? The combination of exclamation points and question marks, along with prior jokes about moderation, made it difficult to tell whether or not you were serious. Well let me relieve you of all doubt. I am being very serious.
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Post by totallytim on Jul 25, 2015 22:55:57 GMT
I also fail to see the relationship you speak of, or how it could be worse than it is and was. If it "getting better" only includes more hot air than I don't really see the point. I may be failing to see the trees from all the forest, but someone needs to explain to me what the end goal here is. Lets say we all stay on our "best behaviour" for the next 5 months with refraining from bringing up past baggage and trying to stay as civil and positive as we can without only pretending.
I predict: The atmosphere here will certainly improve, probably because the amount of new posts will decrease and Colin will chat us up more on vaguely related Godus matters. Godus won't change its mobile course, but we might see more posts on the Steam forums claiming people are satisfied with how things are going since the non negative posts outnumber the negative ones. I don't know, maybe most people really believe that things are going for the better and if so and if I'm in the minority, then there's really not much point with "fighting" the majority and convincing it othervise.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jul 25, 2015 22:57:46 GMT
Crumbs and crackers. After everything personal that has been said about various individuals from Team 22Cans (Aynen, Muir, Matthew, George, Sam, Collin, Simon, PM, and various the other studio gophers), the mod of the of the your-opinion-will-not-be-censored board is taking exception to someone saying a post of his is "poppycock" and threatening the banhammer.
What happened to this place?
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jul 25, 2015 23:04:16 GMT
It's late guys. We've all been drinking. Let's sleep on it.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 23:04:31 GMT
I'm gonna say this one final time. I did not say that no one should post negative stuff. I think I was very clear in what I said earlier in the thread and I said it several times. I don't see how anyone who actually takes the time to properly read those post could possibly misunderstand the meaning of it.
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Post by morsealworth on Jul 25, 2015 23:04:58 GMT
Crumbs and crackers. After everything personal that has been said about various individuals from Team 22Cans (Aynen, Muir, Matthew, George, Sam, Collin, Simon, PM, and various the other studio gophers), the mod of the of the your-opinion-will-not-be-censored board is taking exception to someone saying a post of his is "poppycock" and threatening the banhammer. What happened to this place? Now that you mention it. If Lord Ba'al has something troubling him that gives him a lot of stress, I want him to PM me. I'm not a professional psychologist, but I can at least listen. Also, no risk in it since we barely know each other and I have no use for his personal info. So anyone with problems can trust me just like they can trust an old empty well.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 25, 2015 23:08:41 GMT
Crumbs and crackers. After everything personal that has been said about various individuals from Team 22Cans (Aynen, Muir, Matthew, George, Sam, Collin, Simon, PM, and various the other studio gophers), the mod of the of the your-opinion-will-not-be-censored board is taking exception to someone saying a post of his is "poppycock" and threatening the banhammer. What happened to this place? It's a whole different matter when someone insults the admin of the forum and then when called out on it acts as if it is the most natural thing in the world. Especially after it should have been pretty clear how serious I was in the earlier posts in this thread. At some point a line needs to be drawn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 23:12:36 GMT
The combination of exclamation points and question marks, along with prior jokes about moderation, made it difficult to tell whether or not you were serious. Well let me relieve you of all doubt. I am being very serious. And I am being very serious, too. The line of thought dictating that we ought to avoid discussing the "baggage of the very recent past present" as a cause of present issues, including those of this Combat update, so 22Cans will maybe post a bit more meaningless fluff on the forums is inane. It's absurd. It's everything I said, and I stand by my statements, because I know it's true and the idea I was criticizing has no basis in reality. The conversation began with this, and when push comes to shove I can honestly say that your "baggage of the past" post is toxic by virtue of encouraging the attitude Colin adopted when threatening to "carefully reassess my interaction with this forum" earlier. 22Cans are here to do PR by their own volition, and they can go back to taunting users on the Steam forum if they feel like they're being asked too many inconvenient questions by this community.
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Post by morsealworth on Jul 25, 2015 23:16:26 GMT
I'm gonna say this one final time. I did not say that no one should post negative stuff. I think I was very clear in what I said earlier in the thread and I said it several times. I don't see how anyone who actually takes the time to properly read those post could possibly misunderstand the meaning of it. Rest assured. You can trust me, I hope? We do understand your points and we do respect your view. We just strongly disagree with it since you yourself understand what the conversation drift is. And well, let me tell one thing that'll help you understand us and calm down: The main reason Carl Gustav Jung rejected Freud's free associations was because all free associations led to the complexes he already knew about and was working on. So people always tend to think and speak about most important things related to the current topic and that's why all the threads lead to the same old thing. Just because it is there, never going away and always directly relevant. That's just human nature. It's okay. It's supposed to be that. And, as I said, there is no relation between us and 22Cons, so you can just let go of this problem 'cause we have no power over it just like you normal people have no power over weather. And that's the precise point that I believe is where you was mistaken and I must tell you that you were sorely mistaken. I know your intentions are good. I know it hurt to be called poppycock teller (I didn't even know the word and got the meaning from context). And that's why I must tell you that his intention wasn't to insult you, it was an expression of disagreement, just like my post which was even more offensive from the tone. I really hope that it did make you feel better. If not, please ban me, too, as I share his viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 23:35:57 GMT
I'd like to know what sort of relationship Lord Ba'al thinks the community has with 22Cans. And what sort of relationship the community thinks it has with 22Cans. Both seem to be sticking points in this discussion.
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Post by Aynen on Jul 26, 2015 0:07:56 GMT
Personally, from what I've seen, debating the issue isn't really the point. This isn't about fairness between the community and 22Cans, or justice, or water under the bridge, or any of that. The person who made this place has expressed that it has turned into something that he doesn't like. And the response was to argue that the change was justified, completely ignoring how Ba'al feels. Ba'al isn't 22Cans, he hasn't sold you anything, and doesn't owe you anything. But you're on his turf. Any argument that boils down to 'I'm right to be doing this thing that you don't like' becomes moot. Maybe not to you personally, but in terms of what Ba'al wants this place to be, it is moot.
Way I see it, I'm a guest on Ba'al's site. And if he wants me to behave a certain way, that's his perogative. Regardless of fairness, or history, or logic, or what-have-you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 0:20:26 GMT
Personally, from what I've seen, debating the issue isn't really the point. This isn't about fairness between the community and 22Cans, or justice, or water under the bridge, or any of that. The person who made this place has expressed that it has turned into something that he doesn't like. And the response was to argue that the change was justified, completely ignoring how Ba'al feels. Ba'al isn't 22Cans, he hasn't sold you anything, and doesn't owe you anything. But you're on his turf. Any argument that boils down to 'I'm right to be doing this thing that you don't like' becomes moot. Maybe not to you personally, but in terms of what Ba'al wants this place to be, it is moot. Way I see it, I'm a guest on Ba'al's site. And if he wants me to behave a certain way, that's his perogative. Regardless of fairness, or history, or logic, or what-have-you. I can only imagine how positive this community would be if anyone at 22Cans put as much effort into actually engaging with the community as they do in posts like this.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 26, 2015 0:21:05 GMT
I must say I'm disappointed that I have not seen an apology yet.
For the record, I do not take issue with the disagreement with my post, I take issue with it being called tripe and poppycock.
I'll let you think on that a bit.
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