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Post by banned on Jun 5, 2014 23:20:36 GMT
I agree. It's not that 22Cans are evil, they just chose to make a game like zygna/king would make. That makes them scum. The fact that the cash shop doesn't work that makes them incompetent. this, very much this ^ |
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Post by splitterwind on Jun 6, 2014 4:15:47 GMT
Zynga/King at least didn't funded any of their games on kickstarter without mentioning the free to play nature and intentions and they never pretended that their games aren't free to play.
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Post by hardly on Jun 6, 2014 4:29:33 GMT
Zynga/King at least didn't funded any of their games on kickstarter without mentioning the free to play nature and intentions and they never pretended that their games aren't free to play. Scum might have been the wrong word, maybe sad or lacking in artistic integrity is better. I agree raising money the way they did is wrong. It's hard to know whether Peter was just naive in his belief he could make a cross platform game that wasn't shit on one of those platforms or cynical and knew PC would be sacrificed for mobile. In the end the result is the same, we have one game for both devices and development has ceased on a dedicated PC version. According to George (feel free to correct George) they don't even have a roadmap for differentiating the two versions. It's a sad place indeed for GODUS to be. The funny thing is the mobile app is FUBAR and like the PC version there are no rapid patches to fix it. Now I know it's just NZ suffering from it at the moment but it's interesting to see the QA issues that plagued the PC including a lack of hotfixes also affect mobile. I don't think not talking about the mobile version is helping. If I felt any loyalty to 22cans is help them playtest it but because of the relationship I only post bugs for lolz. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 6, 2014 4:41:55 GMT
Regarding the concept of stroking, you guys should really watch the latest episode of Silicon Valley. (season 1 episode 8)  Why didn't I just link to this video?  |
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Post by engarde on Jun 6, 2014 8:26:28 GMT
Err because it can only be watched on youtube and not from your linked version...
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 6, 2014 8:56:28 GMT
Err because it can only be watched on youtube and not from your linked version... Lol. Hadn't noticed that. |
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Post by splitterwind on Jun 6, 2014 12:01:07 GMT
It's hard to know whether Peter was just naive in his belief he could make a cross platform game that wasn't shit on one of those platforms or cynical and knew PC would be sacrificed for mobile. In the end the result is the same, we have one game for both devices and development has ceased on a dedicated PC version. According to George (feel free to correct George) they don't even have a roadmap for differentiating the two versions. It's a sad place indeed for GODUS to be. Peter also stated how greedy and unfair free to play mechanics are... And promised that no one should ever invest more than the 20$ money in godus that you would otherwise invest for pc. According to him your followers would get visibly upset and disappointed with you if you do so. Instead you can buy gem pack for a price quite above that... His criticism of dungeon keeper mobile and other free to play games was so spot on while he is now doing something very similar with godus that it's hard not to believe that he's doing it on purpose. Also as a pioneer in the PC gaming industry he should know better. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 6, 2014 12:05:16 GMT
It's hard to know whether Peter was just naive in his belief he could make a cross platform game that wasn't shit on one of those platforms or cynical and knew PC would be sacrificed for mobile. In the end the result is the same, we have one game for both devices and development has ceased on a dedicated PC version. According to George (feel free to correct George) they don't even have a roadmap for differentiating the two versions. It's a sad place indeed for GODUS to be. Peter also stated how greedy and unfair free to play mechanics are... And promised that no one should ever invest more than the 20$ money in godus that you would otherwise invest for pc. According to him your followers would get visibly upset and disappointed with you. Instead you can buy gem pack for a price quite above that... His criticism of dungeon keeper mobile and other free to play games was so spot on while he is now doing something very similar with godus that it's hard not to believe that he's doing it on purpose. Indeed, giving Peter the benefit of the doubt requires you to ignore some pretty damning facts. Unfortunately George and Matthew have to date been reluctant to discuss the glaring contradictions in Peter's statements. I live in hope that one day they will through the shackles off and join us in pointing out how ridiculous this situation is. |
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Post by odin13 on Jun 6, 2014 15:46:38 GMT
Indeed, giving Peter the benefit of the doubt requires you to ignore some pretty damning facts. Unfortunately George and Matthew have to date been reluctant to discuss the glaring contradictions in Peter's statements. I live in hope that one day they will through the shackles off and join us in pointing out how ridiculous this situation is. They could only do such a thing if they no longer worked at 22cans, or no longer desired to work at 22cans. A pay check is a powerful thing. |
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Post by banned on Jun 7, 2014 2:25:29 GMT
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Post by Qetesh on Jun 7, 2014 14:18:15 GMT
I agree that one of the most hardest pills to swallow has been the things that have actually come out of Peter's mouth. I am actually a quick to forgive type of person, and have "forgave" 22cans several times. The problem is PM then turns around and says something like he does not care about how much it hurts your wrists while playing and yes, when he told us Backers point blank that he hated Farmville type of F2p games and now has come out renamed the exact mechanics as "Invest to Play" when he tells other game makers how great the Kickstarter was and how they should ignore their the feedback and how ultimately as a game maker he cares most about making money, then I have gotten ticked off all over again. As I said I have reached a point of wait and see again for the final PC game and so, not much to add to that. I just hope that PM does not say something really asinine again to ruffle feathers that are for now quelled. I also get upset by the fact that the Mod at Steam treats their posters with such bias and double standards.
Time shall tell what happens next, but for the record. Anybody with half a brain knows most doctors are doctors to make the cash, but nobody wants to hear their doctor ever tell them that. I would ditch any doctor that was stupid enough to do so, because I would lose utter respect for him. It is an arrogant and rude things to say whether true or not, don't assume people are okay with being told such things.
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Post by odin13 on Jun 7, 2014 14:22:20 GMT
Everyone is in it for the money, but to shit on the people who give it to you in good faith, is not the best way to win friends & influence people.
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Post by banned on Jun 10, 2014 0:15:03 GMT
... most doctors are doctors to make the cash,... except Proctologists. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jun 10, 2014 14:35:36 GMT
... most doctors are doctors to make the cash,... except Proctologists. Ummm............................ew. I guess they really love the bum.   |
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Post by hardly on Jun 15, 2014 19:35:35 GMT
So several weeks pass and no update to the mobile version. I understand them neglecting PC version in favour of mobile version but I thought they would make more effort when it comes to the mobile version since it's their saviour.
Anyone heard about a mobile release outside of NZ?
This seems to support the argument that 22Cans are incompetent. Perhaps all the issues with this game point back to them being a company that doesn't have the skills to actually develop a functional game.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 15, 2014 22:15:38 GMT
So several weeks pass and no update to the mobile version. I understand them neglecting PC version in favour of mobile version but I thought they would make more effort when it comes to the mobile version since it's their saviour. Anyone heard about a mobile release outside of NZ? This seems to support the argument that 22Cans are incompetent. Perhaps all the issues with this game point back to them being a company that doesn't have the skills to actually develop a functional game. I was just wondering about this the other day - whether they had patched, resolved, or even addressed the issues with the mobile version. As far as I am aware, they haven't even put out any kind of information about 'Known Issues' with it. Seems to me everything they've done, that can generally be construed or discerned as being 'poorly handled', either comes down to some kind of incompetence, misunderstanding, or a deliberate method of avoidance and diversionary tactics. Neither of which builds any kind of faith in even the most generally observant of people. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 15, 2014 22:19:36 GMT
With the mobile version there is no EA disclaimer on iOS and 22cans as we know aren't discussing mobile right now for some reason they can't tell us so anybody who has out money into mobile version just has a buggy version of the game with no explanation why it is that. When it comes down to it I just don't think 22cans are a good game developer and I think they lack scruples.
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Post by splitterwind on Jun 16, 2014 0:32:36 GMT
Is it possible to read user-reviews on Itunes without an apple device? I can only read 3 reviews on their store. This 3 user-reviews however are are criticizing Godus for game breaking bugs, not giving bought gems and voyages being boring. I'm curios if the people that actually took the time to write something also criticize manual belief collection etc. I thought that this might be the reason that they are currently working on a statue for automated belief collection and some other things that sound like a small improvement. When it comes down to it I just don't think 22cans are a good game developer and I think they lack scruples. I agree. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 16, 2014 1:38:33 GMT
Keep in mind they encourage you to rate the game very early on before even introducing micro transactions. I didn't encounter bugs until much later. In fact I only had a problem with micro transactions which is interestingly the only part of the game not tested on PC gamers.
I think George is right when he says these kinds of issues/setbacks aren't uncommon in game development it's just you don't see them in a closed process. The problem I have with that explanation though is that it ignores the damage done by having those issues in public. I think other EA games are more progressed in terms of their key mechanics and have a better plan on ea release. They say fail to plan, plan to fail and I think this is the case here whatever Peter says about iterative design.
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Post by Danjal on Aug 6, 2014 21:33:54 GMT
Keep in mind they encourage you to rate the game very early on before even introducing micro transactions. I didn't encounter bugs until much later. In fact I only had a problem with micro transactions which is interestingly the only part of the game not tested on PC gamers. I think George is right when he says these kinds of issues/setbacks aren't uncommon in game development it's just you don't see them in a closed process. The problem I have with that explanation though is that it ignores the damage done by having those issues in public. I think other EA games are more progressed in terms of their key mechanics and have a better plan on ea release. They say fail to plan, plan to fail and I think this is the case here whatever Peter says about iterative design. This is definitely true - most games wait untill they are actually ready for beta. Godus got pushed out in a definite alpha stage. On top of that most developers have a clear idea of what they intend to do, they have a plan to work by. Even the ones that alter things as they go to suit the wishes of the backers/supporters still have an overarching plan they are following and major features they intend to get within a specific timeframe. Godus never had any of that - and 'claimed' to be in beta. Miscommunications, misinterpretations, misguided expectations and misinformations - long story short, a gigantic clusterfuck. Doing this while you're working behind closed doors - I doubt any board of directors or similar would let a team get away with that. The assumption that crowdfunding/early access means you have nobody to answer to for your actions seems to be the primary reason for Peter to have gone down that path in the first place. I'm not surprised to see threads like these exist for the mobile version aswell - like they did for the PC. Wonder what they'll try if Mobile fails though... What platform will they attempt to wring funds from next? =D |
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