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Well, Mandrake, it's very important to create an environment where sockpuppets can insult the half-dozen active members and PR robots can pump out meaningless fluff while ignoring inconvenient questions. We're building a community here, after all. Almost reminds me of the Steam forums.

Mandrake and petermolyneux I can not not disagree with you more. This board is very fair and if someone who likes the game, as mind boggling and few and far between as that may be. They should be allowed to come here and post with out fear of attack. I am not saying either of you have done this. I for one do think the boards are starting to get a little toxic like I have seen the steam boards get and that does not make me happy. At one time i feel we had a very balanced, if negative, community that did discuss issues. Now I feel it is just Bla bla bla f**k this bla bla bla F**k that and it is not a discussion any more. I can see where Lord Ba'al is coming from as the forums are just spiraling down in a death spiral of blam 22cans they can do no right. I think they could come out and refund every one, create the game they promised and people around here would be "It's a LIE! They came by my house and spiked my water with a hallucinogen! They are transferring a worm to my bank account to drain it and a virus is hidden in the game to delete all my other games!"

Except that I wasn't being negative, I was explaining how some of those apparently targeted by the negative comments I responded to really felt, to put it into better context that we're not just HATE HATE HATE - and that we might actually like parts of the game as well. Not really hate, more disappointment and exasperation. As much as it might seem like a "witch hunt" there are things that 22cans does that aren't cool that are noted, such as the silliness with the Steam forums.

If they don't do that...then would we bitch about it? I don't think so.

So to address Deth post, I do agree that some of the posts made in exasperation should be curtailed, as per my post in the Combat, but from what I've seen there is almost always details about what could be improved alongside criticism.



I don't get this, what about discussion?

I will admit that my frustrations did get the better of me on the feedback about Combat, prompting this split thread, but I don't think "hater threads" and "fanboy threads" need to be split in such a way. People should be free to say what they like and don't like without being personally attacked or subject to blanket attacks as was issued in that post.*



What? This is about someone making a post which was in part ATTACKING CRITICS and then one of them calmly, with detail, explaining why they feel the way they do.

Nothing more.

* - Versus having their professional performance critiqued, there is quite a difference.

I fail to see how Starving Children in Africa has anything to do with her motivations for not feeling welcome.

I don't think anyone's done that. As a matter of fact, the last time this subject came up was when Dave banned a bunch of people over at the Steam forum for attempting to explain their feelings on the game to a "positive" newcomer who felt obliged to insult them. Same thing seems to be happening in the "positive" thread, where the "positive" post in question contained this: "I think everybody by now knows about the problems of Godus and it is very tiring that a few people seem to spend all their spare time complaining about this game again and again, and personally attacking Peter Molyneux. I really don't understand why they still hang around here if they hate it so much. The strange and sad thing is that it seems like they feel like they are fighting for some good cause with their comments. I keep thinking if only they would spend this much energy not bitching against 22cans but on fighting Monsanto or poverty or whatever a lot of constructive things could be done


Oh, it's the "Everybody's just calling 22Cans names and isn't giving them a chance and will never be satisfied" narrative again. Strange thing is, I seem to distinctly remember myself, Mandrake, morsealworth, and a number of other people continually giving constructive feedback and pointing out ways 22Cans could rebuild community trust without spending a dime for the past days/weeks/months/years, and the only mention of "F**k this F** that" coming from strawmen certain people made up to pretend otherwise.

I'll reiterate that. Pretending that the community will never be satisfied or that 22Cans is in some way being unfairly persecuted is a notion that smacks of intellectual dishonesty.

Qetesh Do a headcount of the active forum members and get back to me on that "gaming community" if we're going to go around that circle.

What is that supposed to mean?

See, if you had read Qetesh's opening post in that thread you would have known better not to post this response to it and then @sundance would not have jumped on that band wagon and I wouldn't have had to move those posts over here so that this would not have happened.



I'm sorry you feel that way @sundance. I always liked you and am sad to see you leave. But I must say I find the way in which you are doing it both strange and surprising.

There are half a dozen active forums members, maybe a dozen if we stretch the definition of "active" a bit. In the context of that figure, attempting to justify this new attitude by invoking the greater good of the "gaming community" is absurd. There are many general gaming forums across the web. There are many social boards across the web. The inclusion of any similar features does not make this forum a "gaming community" in any relevant way. We can play with semantics and technicalities for the rest of eternity, but that's neither here nor there.

I am not going to argue with you about semantics. I could have 3 members today and 200 tomorrow. We have plans for a future for this board outside of just Godus. We are a gaming community and we are pursing that avenue.