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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 30, 2015 20:31:53 GMT
Oh, it's the "Everybody's just calling 22Cans names and isn't giving them a chance and will never be satisfied" narrative again. Strange thing is, I seem to distinctly remember myself, Mandrake, morsealworth, and a number of other people continually giving constructive feedback and pointing out ways 22Cans could rebuild community trust without spending a dime for the past days/weeks/months/years, and the only mention of "F**k this F** that" coming from strawmen certain people made up to pretend otherwise. I'll reiterate that. Pretending that the community will never be satisfied or that 22Cans is in some way being unfairly persecuted is a notion that smacks of intellectual dishonesty. I'm starting to get the feeling that some folks don't want anything of what has been suggested for improvements to happen, suggested because of the problems we keep returning to because they keep happening repeatedly, and just want to see blind hate. And it isn't just 22cans. Generally, I would like to see those repeated suggestions actually taken into account and acted on, but I don't see where the impetus for said suggestions has to be repeated at length alongside those suggestions. That formation of suggestion, I'd say wrongly but it doesn't matter in 22cans wonkyworld, I suspect leads to the suggestions being dismissed offhandedly as more, to put it crudely, "shit". This is why I was slicing through that stuff the other day to get you guys to boil down your comments more to what you'd like to see, and less, "Let us review our grievances, then proceed to the means by which you may ameliorate yourselves." The moment they see that opening, I wouldn't doubt in the least they go, "Fuck it, moving on," since we've so much of that already. Extending this to how we confront those few positive users, I don't think we do much good by repeating that formulation to them too, despite the dismissal we may see in their comments. You can put it concisely and to the point, "Look, I'm one of those people you're calling out there a little, and I've not personally attacked Molyneux or simply shit on the game, so I'd appreciate it if you don't generalize my contributions to that, thanks. Besides that, here's why I've stuck around..." Avoiding reiterating frustrations with 22cans, which tends to turn those threads into another frustrated with 22cans thread, seems more beneficial so long as we can get across our disagreement in doing so. If you think you can't...Then it may be best to either avoid those discussions, or open a new thread and invite them to discuss your position at more length, instead of diverting that thread. I think that's somewhat reasonable, especially if it's what the OP desires, don't you guys? |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:31:45 GMT
If folks actually noticed how I was welcoming, explaining how I felt and that some of the critics actually like parts of the game ourselves and want to see it become better, and that we're not going to bite at those who do like the game, then we wouldn't be in this mess. I did notice what you were saying and that you were trying to be non-aggressive, but you still went against the spirit and intention of the opening post from an admin by inciting a debate. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jul 30, 2015 20:33:57 GMT
If that's your opinion i am out of this forum. I know you don't care, me too. Let's see, that's one person who quit because of moderation, two people who quit because of 22Cans' toxic nature, I'm starting to sense a pattern here. Actually we lost several, not over 22 toxic nature but because they were tired of every thread filled with the same 22cans bashing stuff. People come and go on boards, it is the nature of the beast. We are a fun, fair board where most of our members are okay with our level of moderation so I am quite happy about this. If someone chooses to leave over a few posts being moved, that is their choice. If they want to come back, that is cool too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:36:44 GMT
There are half a dozen active forums members, maybe a dozen if we stretch the definition of "active" a bit. In the context of that figure, attempting to justify this new attitude by invoking the greater good of the "gaming community" is absurd. There are many general gaming forums across the web. There are many social boards across the web. The inclusion of any similar features does not make this forum a "gaming community" in any relevant way. We can play with semantics and technicalities for the rest of eternity, but that's neither here nor there. I count 48 members online in the past 10 days, 28 of which within the last 24 hours. On top of that, it is not up to you to decide what this forum is and it certainly isn't your personal playground. Right, and the number of people posting is the figure I mentioned earlier. Ergo "active members". This forum certainly isn't my personal playground, but if someone's going to claim they're fair and proceed to defend the content preceding the "Starving Children in Africa" quip, as Mandrake put it, then there's an itsy-bitsy word that goes hand-in-hand with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:39:22 GMT
Let's see, that's one person who quit because of moderation, two people who quit because of 22Cans' toxic nature, I'm starting to sense a pattern here. Actually we lost several, not over 22 toxic nature but because they were tired of every thread filled with the same 22cans bashing stuff. People come and go on boards, it is the nature of the beast. We are a fun, fair board where most of our members are okay with our level of moderation so I am quite happy about this. If someone chooses to leave over a few posts being moved, that is their choice. If they want to come back, that is cool too. Which ones? Overpromise and his wife left due to 22Cans' toxic nature, and that seemed to be the incident that sparked this discussion a week ago. Furthermore, @sundance did not just "leave over a few posts being moved", and misrepresenting it as such reflects rather poorly on whoever chooses to do so. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:41:48 GMT
I count 48 members online in the past 10 days, 28 of which within the last 24 hours. On top of that, it is not up to you to decide what this forum is and it certainly isn't your personal playground. Right, and the number of people posting is the figure I mentioned earlier. Ergo "active members". This forum certainly isn't my personal playground, but if someone's going to claim they're fair and proceed to defend the content preceding the "Starving Children in Africa" quip, as Mandrake put it, then there's an itsy-bitsy word that goes hand-in-hand with it. Perhaps there would be a lot more people posting if you weren't flooding the board with the same crap all the time. And besides there are also plenty of people lurking, some of them for a long long time, who could become members but may decide to leave instead because they don't enjoy the atmosphere anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:42:39 GMT
I'm starting to cotton onto what is desired.
Remember, it took holding 22cans down and stapling the evidence to their foreheads for them to be arsed to do anything, a situation that we've repeatedly witnessed, no?
So, I leave you to be continually dicked around by 22cans while you try to foster a community that 22cans can't be arsed to really try for themselves, while 22cans continually trolls that same community with their antics.
If Godus wasn't a devtroll in every way conceivable, then there's no meaning to that word.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:43:31 GMT
Actually we lost several, not over 22 toxic nature but because they were tired of every thread filled with the same 22cans bashing stuff. People come and go on boards, it is the nature of the beast. We are a fun, fair board where most of our members are okay with our level of moderation so I am quite happy about this. If someone chooses to leave over a few posts being moved, that is their choice. If they want to come back, that is cool too. Which ones? Overpromise and his wife left due to 22Cans' toxic nature, and that seemed to be the incident that sparked this discussion a week ago. Furthermore, @sundance did not just "leave over a few posts being moved", and misrepresenting it as such reflects rather poorly on whoever chooses to do so. Sundance has been a member of this board since the very beginning and you know nothing of it because you're a relatively new member here. Please enlighten me with the ACTUAL facts of Sundance's reason to leave. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jul 30, 2015 20:44:13 GMT
I count 48 members online in the past 10 days, 28 of which within the last 24 hours. On top of that, it is not up to you to decide what this forum is and it certainly isn't your personal playground. Right, and the number of people posting is the figure I mentioned earlier. Ergo "active members". This forum certainly isn't my personal playground, but if someone's going to claim they're fair and proceed to defend the content preceding the "Starving Children in Africa" quip, as Mandrake put it, then there's an itsy-bitsy word that goes hand-in-hand with it. Do you like this forum? Bottomline, we understand you disagree. We are the mods and we stand by our call. If you wish to start making any attacks on our moderation, send a PM. If you want to keep trashing our moderation and chosen direction of this board on open boards, you are risking sanctions at this point. Now, if you would like to drop this I would suggest you consider of offer of a gaming session this Saturday for our members of a game, not Godus, TBD. godus.boards.net/thread/1145/gaming-sessions?page=1&scrollTo=22768 |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:47:04 GMT
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 30, 2015 20:49:03 GMT
Actually we lost several, not over 22 toxic nature but because they were tired of every thread filled with the same 22cans bashing stuff. People come and go on boards, it is the nature of the beast. We are a fun, fair board where most of our members are okay with our level of moderation so I am quite happy about this. If someone chooses to leave over a few posts being moved, that is their choice. If they want to come back, that is cool too. Which ones? Overpromise and his wife left due to 22Cans' toxic nature, and that seemed to be the incident that sparked this discussion a week ago. Furthermore, @sundance did not just "leave over a few posts being moved", and misrepresenting it as such reflects rather poorly on whoever chooses to do so. Well, it's as much 22cans' behavior as the response to the behavior. As they stated, "We like most of you guys but it was way too easy to bag on the ridiculous buffoonery going on with 22cans and even though I creep on the forum still, it's been pleasant to focus our attention on honest, exciting projects that aren't being so deceitfully and poorly run that everything they touch turns toxic." It's this point that's become the point of contention regarding how we proceed to engage with whatever 22cans does, and some sentiments have been that having this bagging crop up, even in threads either expressly focused away from that (see, Let us remember and my own, Since there are "no plans" thread) or only loosely related, such as in the combat update thread that led to this thread. It's not that there's anything wrong with those threads, so much as it seems appropriate to keep their content there than let it overflow into other threads. For instance, totallytim referencing, but not diverting the discussion in my recent thread via the How to NOT PR thread is a really good move, since it keeps the discussion in each thread focused instead of devolving into blanket criticism of 22cans. I'm starting to cotton onto what is desired. Remember, it took holding 22cans down and stapling the evidence to their foreheads for them to be arsed to do anything, a situation that we've repeatedly witnessed, no? So, I leave you to be continually dicked around by 22cans while you try to foster a community that 22cans can't be arsed to really try for themselves, while 22cans continually trolls that same community with their antics. If Godus wasn't a devtroll in every way conceivable, then there's no meaning to that word. Not exactly...But okay. =/ |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:50:01 GMT
I guess some forum somewhere is soon going to have a new member posting a whole lot about how godus.boards.net has totally gone down the shitter because of unfair moderation practices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:52:43 GMT
If you honestly feel that the value of having public relations people post empty words and trivial chit-chat outweighs the honest opinions and candid discussion that the community has offered for so long, then you are free to indulge yourself.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 20:55:00 GMT
If you honestly feel that the value of having public relations people post empty words and trivial chit-chat outweighs the honest opinions and candid discussion that the community has offered for so long, then you are free to indulge yourself. This argument has no basis in reality whatsoever. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 30, 2015 20:59:32 GMT
If you honestly feel that the value of having public relations people post empty words and trivial chit-chat outweighs the honest opinions and candid discussion that the community has offered for so long, then you are free to indulge yourself. =/ The idea was that those opinions and candid discussion occur in their own focused threads, not be visited upon others'. You can have the "clean" discussion and a parallel "real" discussion, with devs tagged so they have no excuse to miss it, and still get what you're after. It's when every thread becomes host to blunt criticism and harsh suspicion that things become problematic, which it seemed like things kind of were since we're in a dead spot with little of substance to discuss. Bleh, decisions have been made I guess, so much for hashing things out. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jul 30, 2015 21:01:56 GMT
This forum has 1080 threads. I would say 85 percent are Godus based. Out of 85 percent 90 percent is all negative. How many do we think of our threads on here are negative? Feel free and read back to calculate. Goading us into claiming we are as you say is ludicrist.
What you are failing to understand is that we want a fair balance on our forum, and not just of Godus. If PR wants to say their say, they have just as much right to do so as you do.
I am sorry if you do not like that, but it is a fact.
Edit... guess he left. His choice, you are all welcome back if you want. Happy Posting.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 21:06:49 GMT
I guess Petermolyneux missed his friend, but rest assured we shall keep his posts safe for posterity.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 30, 2015 21:17:02 GMT
It's funny how life turns out sometimes. Sometimes there are people who spend months on end criticizing people and then when someone criticizes them they vanish into thin air. Oh the irony!
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Post by mindless on Jul 30, 2015 21:17:26 GMT
did mandrake delete his own account, or was pushed out the door?
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 30, 2015 21:18:59 GMT
did mandrake delete his own account, or was pushed out the door? So far as I'm aware it was self-deletion, probably on the basis of feeling pushed out by the discussion that can be read above. =/ |
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