Matthew Allen
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Post by Matthew Allen on Jul 18, 2014 17:36:31 GMT
My big pet peeve for moderators are those that don't allow thread drifts. Good threads evolve or get stale and die, it takes a talented moderator to understand the difference between the two and walk the fine line between friend, co-poster and mod/admin. If you micro manage every time the subject goes on a bit of a tangent, it kills the thread. Some of the most interesting threads I have been involved in have been when the threads drifted into relevant tangents into several different aspects. Sometimes it is what keeps the thread healthy and alive and constantly forcing members to make new threads just clutters up the board and makes it more complicate to go back and discuss something from earlier in the discussion. I agree. We've tried to approach things with a softer touch this week (I think even Muir went off topic about something from The Simpsons at one point). It's important that things stay fluid enough to allow a bit of topic meandering here and there. It's what helps a sense of 'community' develop. In-jokes, learning about each other's tastes, good spirited jabs, etc. |
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Post by distraction on Jul 21, 2014 18:57:33 GMT
Regardless of people liking the game or not, it should be possible for two adults to accept their differences. This doesn't mean that you can't get into heated situations with each other but I'd prefer not to see each of your grand kids killing each other for reasons they aren't even aware of. In other words, no ongoing feuds please. It is not taste it is "bait and switch". Sad abuse of kickstarter, lies, and the assumption that somehow it'll all get forgotten. Sorry, not how it works. Not some VC that gets lied to and used and then accepts the loss gracefully. I was not in this for whore's profit. I agree - it is plain bait and switch. The team haven't really worked on the PC version since V1.3, focus after that went solely onto mobile and hasn't shifted since apart for the occasional propagation to Steam of the current mobile build (the 'finger' in the tutorial being the clearest indication of that). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 23:05:10 GMT
Speaking of steam cred... Can anyone give me an explanation as to why Denny Crane is consistently allowed to insult and vaguely flame-bait the Godus Steam community? His latest "come to the light" post can be found in the [New PM interview on REV3... Brace yourself Link Below] thread.
He does spark a point across every once in a while amid his emotional (read "in character") rants, however, as someone who is frustrated by the development but hopeful for the success of Godus... I find him a fringe troll and offensive, most of the time. #uselessrantover
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Post by Matthew Allen on Jul 30, 2014 17:54:09 GMT
Speaking of steam cred... Can anyone give me an explanation as to why Denny Crane is consistently allowed to insult and vaguely flame-bait the Godus Steam community? His latest "come to the light" post can be found in the [ New PM interview on REV3... Brace yourself Link Below] thread. He does spark a point across every once in a while amid his emotional (read "in character") rants, however, as someone who is frustrated by the development but hopeful for the success of Godus... I find him a fringe troll and offensive, most of the time. #uselessrantover Be sure to report that stuff as you see it!  If there's a member you feel we (myself, George, the mods, etc.) are turning a blind eye to or are just being unintentionally oblivious about then reporting a specific post is often the best way to give us an anonymous heads up of, "Hey, community people. Here's something you may want to look into." While we still have final say on whether we act on a report (which is to say a report is not a guarantee of anything), it's still very useful to us and is a great way of safely chiming in with something you think requires some attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 17:59:19 GMT
Thanks Matt. I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite for complaining about such things. At least I leave my trollish things here instead of there, haha.
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Post by banned on Aug 1, 2014 3:13:09 GMT
Speaking of steam cred... Can anyone give me an explanation as to why Denny Crane is consistently allowed to insult and vaguely flame-bait the Godus Steam community? His latest "come to the light" post can be found in the [ New PM interview on REV3... Brace yourself Link Below] thread. He does spark a point across every once in a while amid his emotional (read "in character") rants, however, as someone who is frustrated by the development but hopeful for the success of Godus... I find him a fringe troll and offensive, most of the time. #uselessrantover Be sure to report that stuff as you see it! If there's a member you feel we (myself, George, the mods, etc.) are turning a blind eye to or are just being unintentionally oblivious about then reporting a specific post is often the best way to give us an anonymous heads up of, "Hey, community people. Here's something you may want to look into." While we still have final say on whether we act on a report (which is to say a report is not a guarantee of anything), it's still very useful to us and is a great way of safely chiming in with something you think requires some attention. certainly important to report folks that troll cause the one sided mods can only see those they are paid to be offended by. for what it is worth, Denny Crane is seldom overly offensive, yes one sided and yes a troll but really folks grow some and let the man have his say no matter how self absorbed he may be. Object to his opinion then counter with logic and respect. |
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Post by Matthew Allen on Aug 1, 2014 16:42:42 GMT
Object to his opinion then counter with logic and respect. Couldn't agree more! |
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on Aug 2, 2014 11:44:01 GMT
certainly important to report folks that troll cause the one sided mods can only see those they are paid to be offended by. for what it is worth, Denny Crane is seldom overly offensive, yes one sided and yes a troll but really folks grow some and let the man have his say no matter how self absorbed he may be. Object to his opinion then counter with logic and respect. It has to be an even playfield. I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 2, 2014 11:48:20 GMT
<abbr></abbr>I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. Aynen just warned Denny in this thread. We'ere keeping a close eye on him, we don't want any more flare ups over tone or style of discourse - I very much want to draw a line under last week and move on from it. |
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Post by banned on Aug 2, 2014 23:37:01 GMT
certainly important to report folks that troll cause the one sided mods can only see those they are paid to be offended by. for what it is worth, Denny Crane is seldom overly offensive, yes one sided and yes a troll but really folks grow some and let the man have his say no matter how self absorbed he may be. Object to his opinion then counter with logic and respect. It has to be an even playfield. I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. I understand and sympathize but remember, George and archangel Michael are employees so they are there for the PR line. Don't fault them for being influenced by their job. |
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Post by muumipeikko on Aug 5, 2014 23:29:11 GMT
certainly important to report folks that troll cause the one sided mods can only see those they are paid to be offended by. for what it is worth, Denny Crane is seldom overly offensive, yes one sided and yes a troll but really folks grow some and let the man have his say no matter how self absorbed he may be. Object to his opinion then counter with logic and respect. It has to be an even playfield. I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. I voted for the wild west! If I would have had my way we would have been serving up bird stew on the official forum... BTW does Muir still hide behind his G-Bird account on that?
Why do people get so wound up at being called a troll? It's a clear sign you have won the argument as far as I can see, it's like an octopus squirting ink as a distraction so it can run away all be it missing a tentacle or two....
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Post by earlparvisjam on Aug 6, 2014 2:19:07 GMT
It has to be an even playfield. I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. I voted for the wild west! If I would have had my way we would have been serving up bird stew on the official forum... BTW does Muir still hide behind his G-Bird account on that?
Why do people get so wound up at being called a troll? It's a clear sign you have won the argument as far as I can see, it's like an octopus squirting ink as a distraction so it can run away all be it missing a tentacle or two....
The problem is that if the "right sort" of person calls someone a troll, the mods act. I've already posted how I've been called out as one of the "problem people" for dressing down a new poster that insulted me. It's doubly bad when it takes me going to this forum to call the mods hypocrites to get them to recognize that the person I'm responding to is breaking Steam rules. While I appreciate that the mods have taken steps to at least try to be more fair in their warnings, I have seen the face of things. The moderators are sick of hearing us being negative and get over-excited when a new poster comes on to gush about the game. Unfortunately, since the state of things is still crappy, the only thing they can do is antagonize the justifiably frustrated posters. I understand that people get out of hand sometimes. We've had plenty of people on Steam that skirted the boundaries of acceptable. I've seen some bans that were long overdue, though many seemed like they came in some of the least justifiable instances. However, it's getting hard to find a long-time poster that hasn't been at least indirectly the target of moderator hostility because they posted dissatisfaction about the game, its development, or some unfulfilled promise. This community is and will continue to be dysfunctional. The only positive posters at this point are either brand new or long time trolls (yes, I'm calling out Denny Crane on this). At best, people hold out hope for changes down the road, but still have negativity about the current situation. Moderators may not like it, but that's the situation 22Cans built up and isn't the fault of the angry forum regulars. Gah, this is starting to ramble... |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 6, 2014 8:55:14 GMT
The moderators are sick of hearing us being negative and get over-excited when a new poster comes on to gush about the game. Try this... When a new poster comes along who is all happy the pappy with the game, let him post and don't respond. See how much they enjoy being the only one talking on the forum. Then watch as over time their positive posts slowly turn more negative until they finally join the dark side. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 6, 2014 12:11:50 GMT
If they really like the game and want to sing it's praises, why not just let them? There are people out there that love Farmville, why is this any different? Ba'al loves scotch and I hate the taste of it, but we seem to co-exist, so I am sure lovers and non lovers of Godus should be able to do the same thing.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 6, 2014 15:18:25 GMT
If they really like the game and want to sing it's praises, why not just let them? There are people out there that love Farmville, why is this any different? Ba'al loves scotch and I hate the taste of it, but we seem to co-exist, so I am sure lovers and non lovers of Godus should be able to do the same thing. Good point. It's kind of illogical, and arguably a waste of useful cognizance, to engage someone solely to sour their happiness. Why even bother? I understand the desire to "inform" them of the state of things, but I can see the point of the devs in that there are negative threads aplenty that they can read on their own to become educated - no need to be self-righteous and make it your goal to set them straight; e.g. force your own bias/opinion onto them - even if it's backed with facts and history. Chances are the Devs already know any complaints or negative feedback you're likely going to repeat in the post, therefore repetition - though not inherently bad - isn't going to make much difference on the outcome, other than creating a highly volatile and hostile community, regardless of the state of the game. Now, you all know I'm a steadfast critic of Godus and 22cans, so I ain't just blowing steam up your britches based on any overtly supportive fangasm. |
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Post by Matthew Allen on Aug 6, 2014 15:49:48 GMT
It has to be an even playfield. I wouldn't mind if denny would be like this on this board as I know I or other could behave the same way if they wanted. On steam however muir warned someone for calling denny a troll. Yes, someone called denny out for behaving like a fictional character posting slightly offensive (or in that specific thread actually quite offensive) stuff and muir warned that person, but not the troll. And when asked he said that he can't see anything wrong about denny. But calling denny a troll? No, thats crossing a borderline! Either everyone should behave family friendly or it should be free for all. I understand and sympathize but remember, George and archangel Michael are employees so they are there for the PR line. Don't fault them for being influenced by their job. Who's this Michael guy you speak of?  Also, I don't think being a community manager and being honest are mutually exclusive. The honest community managers out there would probably take offense at such an assertion. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 6, 2014 15:54:14 GMT
Also, I don't think being a community manager and being honest are mutually exclusive. The honest community managers out there would probably take offense at such an assertion.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 19:12:26 GMT
If they really like the game and want to sing it's praises, why not just let them? There are people out there that love Farmville, why is this any different? Ba'al loves scotch and I hate the taste of it, but we seem to co-exist, so I am sure lovers and non lovers of Godus should be able to do the same thing. in some Point you are right but for what else is the discussion board? when we ate not allowed to wite our own opinions |
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Post by rubgish on Aug 6, 2014 19:19:12 GMT
If they really like the game and want to sing it's praises, why not just let them? There are people out there that love Farmville, why is this any different? Ba'al loves scotch and I hate the taste of it, but we seem to co-exist, so I am sure lovers and non lovers of Godus should be able to do the same thing. in some Point you are right but for what else is the discussion board? when we ate not allowed to wite our own opinions I guess if someone posts saying that they like bits of the game or generally enjoyed playing it, then there isn't really much you can say, because that is just a matter of their personal opinion. It's different if they state things like "The game is developing really quickly" or "I wish the game would have more clicking involved", because those are points that are open for discussion and interpretation. |
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Post by Deth on Aug 6, 2014 20:21:49 GMT
I would think if someone said "I wish the game would have more clicking involved", they are being a troll and need to be ignored and not fed. The other is borderline trollish and think they should be avoided as well. The sad thing is I am not sure I can think of a positive think to say about the game that you can discuss.
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If there's a member you feel we (myself, George, the mods, etc.) are turning a blind eye to or are just being unintentionally oblivious about then reporting a specific post is often the best way to give us an anonymous heads up of, "Hey, community people. Here's something you may want to look into." While we still have final say on whether we act on a report (which is to say a report is not a guarantee of anything), it's still very useful to us and is a great way of safely chiming in with something you think requires some attention.
