I know I am being lazy....

This goes back a couple years it feels like to the blame victims game.

I'm not a victim, I'm not a troll, I'm a dissatisfied CUSTOMER.

*At some point, who shot first becomes irrelevant because nobody wants to be nice to the other guy anymore.*
  22cans fired the shot, and then poured salt on the wound, came back said sorry, staked us to the ant hill while apologizing, and walked away.
every now and then if we are lucky you come back and say you are looking for a way to untie us you promise, while simultaneously relieving your bladder onto us.

This is back to blaming the victim of abuse for the abuse.
if the house wife stabs the husband that beats her, there have been plenty of cases where the housewife is exonerated for self defense.

So your platitudes and attempts to explain why we should be nice and patient are still pure troll. We played the nice game for longer and better than 22cons did, and we paid them not the other way around.

The Fact they can't be assed to update ANYTHING ANYWHERE says more than all the useless drivel you have typed.

You cant judge a thing by its description, only by what it actually does, and 22 cans has actually done almost 0 for a whole year. How you can defend that with a straight face, much less tell us its our fault is truly amazing.

*It's not just about who is right and who is wrong, it's also about being able to convince a person (or group) to do something.*

We paid them money, we all willing entered into a contract when they put the game up for sale and we accepted the contract for goods by purchasing them.
What more is needed in business to produce goods? What more should we incentivize 22cons with? we should bribe them to get the game we paid for? Do you bribe your barrista not to spit in your drink, or the guy at the McDonalds to not spit in your food? no, you pay them for a service and complain if it doesn't meet some acceptable (poor) standard. 22cons has failed to meet even the most basic standards, of decent behavior, production, value and several other categories.

So since you talk to the devs weekly* how would you bribe them to get the game you payed for?


I say bribe because we already payed for the goods and services once.

bribe: persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement.

Aynen tries again to use the load of rubbish assurances he's used on the Steam forums - unfortunately for him he forgot that most here *DO* know the plot that it comes across as insulting.



When 22cans' entire game is to tease and blame everyone else but themselves...of course you'll try to play the victim when you're caught doing the same shit.



Not even those who LIKE the game have gotten much play by 22cans, so your bit about "feewings" being the reason why 22can'tbearsed is still shit is...well, just more shit.

Then we could point out the delete and libel game you had played upon the Godus community wherever you could be inflicted upon those who showed dislike for your Precious. You know, that which was supposedly "feeding the good wolf" or some such rubbish, but we've seen how 22cans doesn't even bother to engage those who make good suggestions, how 22cans discusses matters about the game (not much at all, and what they do offer is a "poor Peter" narrative that holds no responsibility even in offered mea culpa), and how 22cans still can't participate in Kickstarter/Early Access while hiding behind the same caveats they have used to give the message of "Selling an unfinished game is the extent of our obligations in EA".

You fit right in - except for one point. You made a thread, even if you meant it in snark, about how 22cans can do good PR.

Here's one suggestion, again to use Simon's lexicon: 22cans stop being absolutely shit in every facet of operations and people will stop calling it shit.

The lack of a CM, the lack of being able to retain a competent CM because 22cans aren't interested in community feedback*, the lack of any feedback being taken or even responded to outside of a numerical tally of "likes" along with former real efforts by CMs had to be dug up, the lack of anything but "wait Soonus for an update that will be here" and poor communication behind it - these are all symptoms of a much bigger problem there at 22cans.

It has become so obvious that your grinning Tommy Seebach routine has started to become insulting more than anything else it could be; instead of reassuring anyone but yourself it comes across as severely disconnected from the reality of 22cans' development, and since you probably know it, is used to troll.

I have seen developers, about the same number as those supposedly still working upon Godus, do everything 22can't - though to be fair they're not having to deal with PM scamming a bunch of people, openly admitting so, and then trying to pretend that is business as usual for years on end with a bunch of "management" that seems to be where the money really went to while interns and newbies were put upon Godus' development...and now look at where it is.

Peter shot first. He can start to be nice since he never was from the start.

Yet we're supposed to treat that kind of abuse with "niceness"? Uh, nope. That kind of bullshit can GTFO the industry ASAP because we already have enough of the same that a has-been abusing his reputation isn't any more welcome. So if 22cans doesn't want to improve then it can be made an example of and be along those who are known as Early Access scammers:

www.cracked.com/blog/6-early-access-games-that-completely-screwed-customers/

My favourite part:



So when is there going to be anything to show for apology? Any resolution than "Peter felt bad about the reaction he got from scamming people"? Oh, he got a toady in Simon to feel better, so I guess the community doesn't matter anymore, right?

Is THAT the diseased kind of logic running around 22cans?

"It's okay that we scammed people from their money and did completely opposite of what we said we would because of all the upset they made about it."?


* - That a CM will not stay around this title is not for reason of "mean community" but rather a community that HAS given feedback to the company, only for the company to ignore that to do the complete opposite, which in turn makes the CM look useless or worse. 22cans has done this since the Kickstarter lies, and this is why SamVT has nothing nice to say about the title/development he once promoted.

Oh, Aynen, just to put this in proper context:

"I come here of my own volition, and communicate with you in whatever limited way I can. The response:"

Many people came to 22cans' Kickstarter of their own volition and donated to whatever limited way they can, and now look at the general response they have received - including your patently fake reassurances that weren't true even when you first told people those lies on the Steam forums, banned them because they were pointing out that they were lies, then proceed to lie some more here while trying to make it sound as if you're doing this out of the kindness of your heart.

You have made many questionable claims, on your own decision, that aren't any more true than they were months ago - then blamed others with a deflection via Tone Argument when you had those claims challenged. You are then putting the backers/customers into a double bind where they are expected to be scammed and lied to and then can't be unhappy at the treatment they have received - sometimes by your very hand upon the Steam forums.

Very 22cans, I must say.

Also, keep in mind this is the open board so the discussion is likely to be rougher here than in the main discussion area.

Proboards policies aside, wishing someone harm or death, both anecdotally and seriously, is completely damn normal (there was Nobel Prize awarded for proving that). It's even good for health of both parties as long it isn't acted upon.
It comes from basic instincts that can not and should not be suppressed, as it will lead to emotional disorders that can turn you into a serial murderer. And this time, a real one.

Not even to mention that any kind of non-aggressive response to aggressive action Aynen took in his first post is encouraging people to continue their behaviour (if you don't see attempts of aggressive assertion of dominance, look again).

And I'm not even starting on the number of fallacies in the post I was quoting, which serve main purpose of shifting the blame and making us look like a group of savages and monsters who don't deserve what we demand. Which is a personal insult to each of us. And if you don't take offence for some reason (did he succeed in manipulating you?), I will and I do.
So answering with aggression to aggression IS adequate response - human social instincts, the whole society, even, depends on it.

And people wonder why 22cans don't post to the community any more....

I get where you're coming from but you're losing the high ground on this threat issue now. Best to just move on now

Did you even read this thread?

Yes.