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Post by Drake on Dec 17, 2015 2:54:38 GMT
If you don't like or disagree with my opinion, that's one thing.
But don't try to censor me, simply based on your disagreement, or your dislike of my opinion.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Dec 17, 2015 3:00:29 GMT
First, reference my post right above yours. Second, the reason this needs to be addressed here, is because unless you want to start making up your own unwritten rules, like on Godus Steam forums, I suggest to settle this issue, however unpopular it might be. Thanks, I did see that. And I do get what you are saying. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter, it's potentially enough to throw red flags on our forum to Proboards moderators. We prefer our forum not be shut down for petty squabbles of vague allegories. We DID address it by politely asking not to do it. They are not "unwritten rules", as they are clearly written. I realize that it appears to be a bit of a imprecise definition left to potentially self-interpretation. Could they be more clear? Possibly, but again this is also not the best place to address that. If you have issue with them, and want to provide feedback, please contact Proboards. We, however, have to uphold the wishes of the Proboards policies to retain our ability to gather here and discuss things. The statement made is obviously close enough to being troublesome that it is deemed unacceptable. I do - as a user - understand where you're coming from, but as a moderator I cannot allow it. We're trying really hard here to provide an open discussion and a place to have it, and not sanctimoniously flaunt moderation. It's becoming increasingly difficult in this situation. |
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Post by Bob The Builder on Dec 17, 2015 3:36:27 GMT
When it comes down to it, against the rules or not, Q asked us to get back on topic and this argument is anything but.
Instead, Why don't we all raise a glass in camaraderie against villainy, petty thieves, ex-lovers who are mean, bumbling pathological liars, their apologists, and long lines at the theater this weekend!
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Post by 13thGeneral on Dec 17, 2015 3:45:51 GMT
When it comes down to it, against the rules or not, Q asked us to get back on topic and this argument is anything but. Instead, Why don't we all raise a glass in camaraderie against villainy, petty thieves, ex-lovers who are mean, bumbling pathological liars, their apologists, and long lines at the theater this weekend! I could use a good nip about now. lol.  |
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Post by Deth on Dec 17, 2015 4:01:15 GMT
To further my point, If I say: I wish <snip> Is that against the rules? But if I say: I wish <snip> All of a sudden that's against the rules? Why? Because Aynen happens to be coming to these boards and feeding you shit? The ISIS comment, honestly it is hard to say. Yes I could see it being against the rules as you are wanting a real person to die, but I also see it as you are not calling out one person. But that is splitting hairs ultimately, so in all fairness and to keep the rules simple yes I would say wishing any real person or group of people dead would be against the rules. On the second comment I have never played the game so do not know the ending but the context I took away from it was that some form of sever bodily harm came to George and that you wished <snip> Myself I am a very nonviolent person and hate to see anyone in pain. Luckily I have never had something done to me or my family or friends that have made me truly wish to see someone die. I have also never posted such a wish on a board. I am not the kind of person to say "fuck off and die" to some one in person around my friends when angry. Where My friends would know it is out of character for me and the person I said it too knows I am pissed and is probably in the same mood and thinking the same think but knows that it is just anger speaking. I think the big issue is you can not put tone or intent on the internet. We don't know if it is said as "fuck off and die *as laughing*" or "fuck off and Die *as sharpening knife or loading a gun*" I do not think you mean the second way, but I do not know you so can only hope for the first. That being said you can not know Aynan mental state and maybe some threat like that is the final thread and he snaps, which I can understand even a "Hi How are you" could set someone off but a harsher comment is going to carry more weight and so should be looked at harder and stricter rules apply. As to taken Aynen shit, no Like anyone else he is allowed to come here and say what he wishes as long as he follows the rules. Just because I think he is a delusional troll on a power trip does not mean I wish any physical harm, but I do sometimes wish he would go soak his head in the toilet, when is is power tripping over on the steam boards. I mean you can only hide behind the "My boss, that I am a volunteer for, told me to do it so much." Even in the military you are expected to use you own mind and moral code when certain orders are given and say "No that is not right and I am not going to do it." To me that is where he crosses the line he is a volunteer and I assume not getting anything from 22cans. At least I can give the employees a little slack in they might have a family to feed and I do not know how easy it would be to get a new job there. It's easy for us to take the high ground against them not knowing what they are going through, know/knew, or how much they tried to change. At times I might wish the company to crash and burn but ultimately I hope they move on to better jobs and do not get stuck in a situation like this and that Aynen learns that blind loyalty and support with out some form of consequences for bad behavior is not going to change the bad behavior. Well it is my bed time and this has ended up longer then I even though it would be. I will close with. This is only my option and I do not profess to be an expert in such things but can only speak of my feelings. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Dec 17, 2015 4:52:19 GMT
Bleh. I think when it comes down to it, all anyone's saying here Drake is that you could've put it a little more mildly, like you wish their business fails or they'd wake up to shit in their shoes till the end of their days. Much like Deth , I'm not familiar with whatever happens with Georgie in that story, but I get the sense you simply mean: I hope they get what's coming to them, whatever that may entail. Fact that Aynen 's spinning it in the harshest direction is merely to play the same game he's been playing all along, divide our opinions over how to express our dissatisfaction and divert our attention from being directed to picking heavily away at 22cans. Instead he'd prefer to separate our opinions from yours (Drake's, to be clear) with a more positive bent to try to foment a constructive dialogue, which we tried, found it squandered, and now we oughta be wiser, which I like to think we are. Whether or not we do anything with that newfound (same as the old, as earlparvisjam might tell us) wisdom, well, it's up to whether or not we care enough to stir things up yet again. Frankly, I think as long as we're totally clear in that we don't seriously mean any mental or physical harm, as I don't believe Drake ever meant, I think we're relatively fine to speak bluntly and harshly. Merely need to be a little clearer about that kind of thing. What's left of a constructive dialogue has been thrown out, if not since the start, then in the moment we pulled away the tablecloth to reveal there was barely a table being built anymore earlier this year, or when they abruptly announced the reallocation of resources and focus on to The Trail. 22cans has been given more than enough time and patience, more than enough attempts to communicate, and the reality is they may as well have spent the better part of this year burying this project in the ground from the dropping of staff and any consistent correspondence whatsoever. Anyone that thinks otherwise by now would truly have to be delusional, or in close enough contact to only think they know any better, which is precisely what they're doing with Aynen . |
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Post by Qetesh on Dec 17, 2015 6:31:06 GMT
This issue is not up for debate in any certain terms. Also, Yes saying "anyone or group" would die or be harmed is firmly against Proboard rules as is hate speech directed at any group.
We are not Steam but we do have some few rules. The moderators of this board make these decisions. We deemed the comments removed against Proboards rules. Any member on here is protected from ever being mentioned in any way shape or form of inference of a harm, a wish of a harm, and/or a wish of death. This also goes for any real person or group. The inference is indeed there if you mention a person you hope would turn out in a way a character was harmed and/or died.
The only problem we have ever had is members attacking, harassing and now wishing harm upon other members. It is simply not allowed here. Some want to be able to and think you can here. You cannot. Each member is allotted this protection in these rules. I hope this clears up any confusion anyone had with where that line is. We adore you all and all are welcome but these are the rules on here. Any and all mentions of any a hope, allusion, inference or hint of harm to any real person, group or member is in violation and will be deleted. This goes for all threads. Other than that have at it and have fun but not on this thread, it is beyond derailed and OT.
This thread is locked.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Dec 17, 2015 6:38:12 GMT
I can't believe someone being warned/told off by three separate moderators wants to keep going and push the issue. As I said I don't have time for this. But I fear the worst when Qetesh wakes up. |
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