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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 20:44:14 GMT
There are three extremly positive users on the 22cans board. They are that much positive and almost in every thread. From beginning to now. I don't see such users elsewhere. I think most people who are happy (if there could be some) don't care about the forum. They know that nobody of the devs will read their post and so they don't try to pot there anymore. But three users try to defend 22cans in any possible thread and try to destroy the argumentation of other people, who are not happy what's going on. Sometimes i think they could be releatives or friends of some devs.
Do you have the same feeling? Do you know which users i mean?
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Post by Qetesh on Dec 10, 2013 2:13:12 GMT
I would have to actually go back and log in for the first time in a long time to see that, but perhaps I shall at some point.
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Post by juwel on Feb 21, 2014 20:56:29 GMT
I have given up on it as well.
Quite ridiculous whats going on there.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 23, 2014 0:23:24 GMT
It seems to be going down more and more often now too. I hope maybe we can get a few more posters over here so we can talk freely without worrying about being moderated into silence.
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Post by chrism on Feb 24, 2014 10:20:38 GMT
I wonder if I am one of the three? (Tulipone).
It is so pointless to be that negative they (22Cans) have an excuse not to respond - I'd like to think positive encouragement was the way forward - okay, hat didn't work out so well.
I don't get the role of Augurs and have no idea who they may be. If, as they claim, they are not staff then their role is irrelevant and they just moderate.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 24, 2014 13:20:23 GMT
I wonder if I am one of the three? (Tulipone). It is so pointless to be that negative they (22Cans) have an excuse not to respond - I'd like to think positive encouragement was the way forward - okay, hat didn't work out so well. I don't get the role of Augurs and have no idea who they may be. If, as they claim, they are not staff then their role is irrelevant and they just moderate. I honestly don't know who they were referring to. I think many of those like minded have realized what myself ( Gray) and other have been saying all along. I have never been so sad to be right. I smelled a rat as soon as I heard the word Gems, the hidden Augors put the nail on that coffin. You don't run a forum with deceit and trickery, and you don't ask for money by promising one thing and then providing something completely different. They would never have gotten a third of that money if they had been forthright about what they were planning and so shame on them for doing so, and they know it. The PR nightmare is actually embarrassing to watch how bad they are sinking. I really like so many of the posters on the 22cans boards, I only wish there was a way to get them to come here, I bet a handful of them could have created a game ten times as good in half the time. |
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Post by chrism on Feb 24, 2014 14:40:10 GMT
Qetesh - I just don't understand why they fell from reasonable communication to none.
Where ever we end up with Godus, it must be taken as an example of how not to do it. Peter is either genuinely useless or adept with smoke and mirrors. I accept that when you reread some of the blurb that we have been told, maybe I should have known what was to come.
I say publish what you have in beta and be dammed or praised. If it's shit then fine. If Peter really does have an idea on how to change the FTP system let us see it.
All this negativity from the forum, Facebook and Steam cannot be doing anyone any good.
Part of me hoped they had pulled the shutters down over the weekend with their website down.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 24, 2014 15:25:43 GMT
Qetesh - I just don't understand why they fell from reasonable communication to none. Where ever we end up with Godus, it must be taken as an example of how not to do it. Peter is either genuinely useless or adept with smoke and mirrors. I accept that when you reread some of the blurb that we have been told, maybe I should have known what was to come. I say publish what you have in beta and be dammed or praised. If it's shit then fine. If Peter really does have an idea on how to change the FTP system let us see it. All this negativity from the forum, Facebook and Steam cannot be doing anyone any good. Part of me hoped they had pulled the shutters down over the weekend with their website down. I think they are not communicating because they know they have to either lie or spin their asses off and that is no longer working. They know they are not making the game that the backers wanted and they don't care. They wanted the money, they got it and now they are doing what they wanted to all along. Making a F2P game to make them as much more money as they can. I don't really have a problem with that except that this game would never have been back by me and many others if they had been honest. If they wanted to have an F2P backed, then they should have stated so, there are plenty of people out their that love to play that stuff. Those backers would not have been needed to be lied to. I am making an assumption, they don't think those backers would have come up with enough money so they basically lied to get it from us backers that did. Farmville playing folk generally care enough about games to back one. Game enthusiastic F2P hating folks like many of us backers, do. I think they also did the same thing to their late backers and now their early access Steam players. They presented one type of game and have continued to lean towards building another one. |
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Post by chrism on Feb 24, 2014 15:31:11 GMT
Do you the old adage about looking after customers? Look after them and they come back. If they don't come back they don't bring others or repeat business with them.
To spin a line that you don't intend to keep is downright stupid. I have 'lost' £20 and would very probably bought into a franchise expansion pack system. I'm never going to buy a pot of gems and I'm not going to wait to speed things up.
At this point, I'd just like to be told what's happening.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 24, 2014 15:51:16 GMT
They don't seem to care what we want. If they make a game that works and sell it to FB or the ilk, they won't care about a hundred thousand ticked off customers. I just have no respect for that.
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Post by mark on Feb 25, 2014 22:19:24 GMT
The one user that springs to mind is Muirdr (Geminu), always alyways always batting for 22Cans.
To the point where rationality and sanity have left the building, Muir continues to tow the company line.
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Post by oog on Feb 25, 2014 22:35:57 GMT
Hmm. Are you sure Geminu and Muir are the same person? If so, I find it a bit fishy that the steam forums and the backers forum have the same moderator/augur.Slightly off topic, but does anyone else feel annoyed that the so called Community Rockstar Dev who posted a bit then disappeared into a black hole of silence was brazen enough to come back and post for the first time on steam - on the message from Sam about leaving! If as a backer, I pay some of this person's salary, it makes my blood boil - what community exactly has the person been managing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 22:42:43 GMT
Yes, Muir and Geminu are the same person.
And I think you mean Matthew? I haven't seen him on the steam forums.. O.o?
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 25, 2014 22:53:39 GMT
Yes it was disappointing to have the 22Cans rockstar suddenly disappear without a trace. Just what is he doing if he's not managing the community?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 22:55:15 GMT
That is one of the things, I actually do not know. I only spoke to him once. He had two weeks of activity on the 22cans forum, and that was it. o.o
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Post by oog on Feb 25, 2014 23:09:08 GMT
Yes umbralite, I was talking about Matthew, he posted on steam and according to his avatar there he is like level 60 on steam (whatever that means). Hm. Overclaim much? While I'm thinking about this, what sort of FOCwit wouldn't see that a great way to manage finances, would be not to pay someone a salary as community manager when they were patently failing to manage a community...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 23:14:36 GMT
If you are saying that Sam failed, I do not feel so.
If you are saying Matthew failed, yes, but he wasn't being paid. Sam called him in, to ask for assistance. What matthew did, was volunteering, with the intent to eventually be hired. I suppose the contract didn't fly,.. so that could be why he vanished.
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Post by oog on Feb 25, 2014 23:23:27 GMT
Oh no, Sam didn't fail in my book... I said as much to him by twitter. But thanks for clarifying Matthew's role and possible disappearance, I will feel less angry at him..
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Post by muumipeikko on Feb 26, 2014 9:37:15 GMT
The one user that springs to mind is Muirdr (Geminu), always alyways always batting for 22Cans. To the point where rationality and sanity have left the building, Muir continues to tow the company line. Have you checked his background? He want's to be a games developer (I don't know why as it would appear I pay my graduate (straight out of university) developers significantly more than 22Can's pays their snr developers but I guess money isn't everything  ) I guess he see's it as his big opportunity to try and break into that world and make contacts. While I think he is petty, a total jobsworth and someone I would probably never get along with, I have to respect his drive and desire. The grad job market is difficult, especially if you haven't got a good degree from a red-brick so you have to grab every opportunity with both hands.
As for Matt, I think he was the biggest disappointment although now knowing he was doing it unpaid hoping to get a job in the long term makes sense. Having said that, it was without doubt a great opportunity for him to really make a mark by turning the community around. That would have looked great on his CV, 22Can's job or not! Who know, maybe Peter never gave him the mandate to actually do the job, I get the feeling Sam never had the authority he needed... It was just in one of the local papers yesterday "Beware of people who call themselves rock stars who don't belong to a band as they seldom live up to their self proclamation".
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Post by julians on Feb 26, 2014 9:43:40 GMT
Besides Muirdr I have a string suspicion two other accounts are devs or even designers.
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) I guess he see's it as his big opportunity to try and break into that world and make contacts. While I think he is petty, a total jobsworth and someone I would probably never get along with, I have to respect his drive and desire. The grad job market is difficult, especially if you haven't got a good degree from a red-brick so you have to grab every opportunity with both hands.
